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Wow I actually cannot believe Joss Whedon ever had the sheer gall to call himself a feminist. GUESS WHAT. YOU'RE NOT. END OF STORY.

Spoilers within, but they're warned for before they're reached.


I was remembering Nalini Singh's novella in her Angel's Blood series, one about Ashwini and the vampire she hunts on and off. In this, the angel--who is pretty much a carbon copy of Raphael--is treated the way a sane person would treat them. She's creeped out by his come-on, spooked, and hopes to interact with him as little as possible. At the time I didn't put much thought into it, but the only difference I can really come up with between the angel and archangel is that one--the one acknowledged as negative--is black.

Mm. Well.

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Great! That's nice! Except someone who makes a show that in practice is about how important (male) rapists feelings are over the (female) rape victims' and about how totally justified a prostituting, slave-trading company is, is not feminist.
There's a very large difference between saying "Wow, that's gender-skeevy," and saying "YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING MY INTERPRETATION OF GENDER EQUALITY. YOU AUTOMATICALLY FAIL AT LIFE AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THAT YOU PERSONALLY WISH OR EVER HAVE WISHED FOR GENDER EQUALITY. YOUR CHARACTERS ARE YOU; THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AND NO SUCH THING AS THEIR BEING INFINITELY FUCKED UP OR FALLIBLE. I BET YOUR WIFE SHAVES HER LEGS. I AM BURNING YOUR WORK AND YOU SHOULD DIE IN A FIRE OF AIDS."
Whether or not he wishes for gender inequality, he doesn't demonstrate it in a lot of his work. Making an entire show pretty much about how sympathetic serial rapists are is incredibly sexist, not to mention utterly unpleasant and morally abhorrent. 'Gender-skeevy' doesn't even begin to cover it. What does his wife have to do with it?
IIRC, the poster you linked to only got a few episodes in. I haven't seen the show myself but am currently working my way through Firefly again. So when I hear "Joss Whedon really hates women!" I think of Zoey and River Tam & Inara, who, while being a whore, still kicks ass and has made her trade into something I'd dare say was empowering.

Also, the "and his wife!" line was a nod to the previously linked-to wank--really, my pointing out how things tend to spiral out of control and into the realm of complete fucking ridiculousness that no sane person takes seriously once people start getting foamed up over their judgments.
She's watched the entire first season and six episodes into the second one until she gave up.

I wouldn't venture to say 'Joss Whedon hates women' because I don't know the man, and don't want to. And she didn't say that. But someone who is willing to create something like that I am horrified by. Certainly I am a big fan of Zoe and River and Inara, but good portrayals of women previously do not negate the fact that he made a show that contains an obscene amount of text--not even subtext--about how sympathetic people who violate, denigrate and sell women (and men) are.